Comments on: Which is more open: the Nokia N95 or the iPhone? http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2007/09/26/which-is-more-open-the-nokia-n95-or-the-iphone.html Musings of a techie lawyer Sun, 20 May 2012 19:30:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7-bleeding By: iPhone Info http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2007/09/26/which-is-more-open-the-nokia-n95-or-the-iphone.html#comment-2860 iPhone Info Tue, 25 Dec 2007 13:16:02 +0000 http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2007/09/26/which-is-more-open-the-nokia-n95-or-the-iphone.html#comment-2860 The Nokia 95 does a better job, no doubt about it. The Nokia 95 does a better job, no doubt about it.

]]> By: stephane koch http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2007/09/26/which-is-more-open-the-nokia-n95-or-the-iphone.html#comment-1681 stephane koch Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:16:00 +0000 http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2007/09/26/which-is-more-open-the-nokia-n95-or-the-iphone.html#comment-1681 Which is more open: the ...Symbian or the iPhone? From my European/Switzerland point of view, I think that there no comparaison possible, definitely Symbian is more open, not only to the developper, but to the mind as well. Even if Apple finnally decided (under the pressure of the communauty) to open the iPhone to external programs in fews months, the mentality of Apple, is always "to close": market, developpment, communication...This company have always given priority to the PR... Even if we cannot denie that the sceen and the ergonomics of the iPhone are a real innovation, we can still pointed on the fact that the sevices offered by the iPhone are not yet at the same level of the most of the Symbian compatible phones. For instance in Europe we have 3G (UMTS with HSDPA, and HSUPA is comming) which is allowing to be connected to the Internet with a aceptable bandwith. iPhone do not include 3G... Some of the other problems : -No GPS (which is a real potential, not only for looking for localisation, but for getting information according to the localisation) -No way to change the battery when empty -no way to change the sceen when damaged -no call management, sms management, as symbian is doing it etc... But one of the indirect problem with the Apple iPhone' strategy is that all the customer of the telco companies which have this exclusive agreement are going to pay for it. I't naive to beleive the the operators are not going to charge their customers for the price they have to pay to Apple to be able to sell the iPhone ;-) Which is more open: the …Symbian or the iPhone?

From my European/Switzerland point of view, I think that there no comparaison possible, definitely Symbian is more open, not only to the developper, but to the mind as well. Even if Apple finnally decided (under the pressure of the communauty) to open the iPhone to external programs in fews months, the mentality of Apple, is always “to close”: market, developpment, communication…This company have always given priority to the PR…

Even if we cannot denie that the sceen and the ergonomics of the iPhone are a real innovation, we can still pointed on the fact that the sevices offered by the iPhone are not yet at the same level of the most of the Symbian compatible phones. For instance in Europe we have 3G (UMTS with HSDPA, and HSUPA is comming) which is allowing to be connected to the Internet with a aceptable bandwith. iPhone do not include 3G… Some of the other problems :
-No GPS (which is a real potential, not only for looking for localisation, but for getting information according to the localisation)
-No way to change the battery when empty
-no way to change the sceen when damaged
-no call management, sms management, as symbian is doing it
etc…

But one of the indirect problem with the Apple iPhone’ strategy is that all the customer of the telco companies which have this exclusive agreement are going to pay for it. I’t naive to beleive the the operators are not going to charge their customers for the price they have to pay to Apple to be able to sell the iPhone ;-)

]]> By: joe http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2007/09/26/which-is-more-open-the-nokia-n95-or-the-iphone.html#comment-1229 joe Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:06:47 +0000 http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2007/09/26/which-is-more-open-the-nokia-n95-or-the-iphone.html#comment-1229 I guess what I'm asking is "what makes an open platform open?" Obviously, it's more than a license... it's things like being able to upload arbitrary scripts, having certain kinds of functionality be exposed to user tinkering, etc. If someone has outlined that somewhere, I'd appreciate a pointer. I guess what I’m asking is “what makes an open platform open?” Obviously, it’s more than a license… it’s things like being able to upload arbitrary scripts, having certain kinds of functionality be exposed to user tinkering, etc. If someone has outlined that somewhere, I’d appreciate a pointer.

]]> By: Jamie http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2007/09/26/which-is-more-open-the-nokia-n95-or-the-iphone.html#comment-1227 Jamie Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:16:40 +0000 http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2007/09/26/which-is-more-open-the-nokia-n95-or-the-iphone.html#comment-1227 This is moronic to compare them in terms of "openness" Of course the Nokia is more open...... i haven't EVER owned a phone that would come even close to the iphone in terms of restrictive behavior and functional limitations ..... Bluetooth should be completely open for file transfer/modem use, wifi should be able to also do iphone-iphone transfers ... 3rd party apps are a must An un-subsidised iphone is just stupidly overpriced This is moronic to compare them in terms of “openness”
Of course the Nokia is more open…… i haven’t EVER owned a phone that would come even close to the iphone in terms of restrictive behavior and functional limitations ….. Bluetooth should be completely open for file transfer/modem use, wifi should be able to also do iphone-iphone transfers … 3rd party apps are a must
An un-subsidised iphone is just stupidly overpriced

]]> By: Matt http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2007/09/26/which-is-more-open-the-nokia-n95-or-the-iphone.html#comment-1220 Matt Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:18:28 +0000 http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2007/09/26/which-is-more-open-the-nokia-n95-or-the-iphone.html#comment-1220 John's right, not only is the N95 open, but it still runs the same programs that I used to run on my Nokia 3650. I've had several Symbian phones and they are currently the best mobile network platform. Not only can you get precompiled programs for Symbian, but Nokia also worked to release <a href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/pys60/" rel="nofollow">Python for Symbian</a> as well so you can expand the functionality of your handheld with your own scripts. The iPhone is interesting as a early beta Apple product, but its no where near the level of Symbian is at today. As long as Apple keeps pissing off their development community and scaring their users away from third party apps Symbian won't have any problem staying on top. John’s right, not only is the N95 open, but it still runs the same programs that I used to run on my Nokia 3650. I’ve had several Symbian phones and they are currently the best mobile network platform.

Not only can you get precompiled programs for Symbian, but Nokia also worked to release Python for Symbian as well so you can expand the functionality of your handheld with your own scripts.

The iPhone is interesting as a early beta Apple product, but its no where near the level of Symbian is at today. As long as Apple keeps pissing off their development community and scaring their users away from third party apps Symbian won’t have any problem staying on top.

]]> By: wseltzer http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2007/09/26/which-is-more-open-the-nokia-n95-or-the-iphone.html#comment-1219 wseltzer Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:07:40 +0000 http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2007/09/26/which-is-more-open-the-nokia-n95-or-the-iphone.html#comment-1219 As several people have noted, I'm not asking the question "which is open source"? Clearly, the Nokia (and OpenMoko) are more modification-friendly by design. I'm asking instead how other factors, such as the popularity of the device (its virtual network of potential hackers), affect the value users can add to it. Of course Apple seems determined to show us the deeper value of Freedom-with-a-capital-F by <a href="http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2007/09/30/upgrades-hollow-the-iphones-core.html" rel="nofollow">squelching the third-party networks</a> at will, So another factor in "openness" and user-generated value is the ability of one party to cut off their development. As several people have noted, I’m not asking the question “which is open source”? Clearly, the Nokia (and OpenMoko) are more modification-friendly by design. I’m asking instead how other factors, such as the popularity of the device (its virtual network of potential hackers), affect the value users can add to it.

Of course Apple seems determined to show us the deeper value of Freedom-with-a-capital-F by squelching the third-party networks at will, So another factor in “openness” and user-generated value is the ability of one party to cut off their development.

]]> By: iLinux.mobi » How about an Index of Openness? http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2007/09/26/which-is-more-open-the-nokia-n95-or-the-iphone.html#comment-1212 iLinux.mobi » How about an Index of Openness? Mon, 01 Oct 2007 07:38:25 +0000 http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2007/09/26/which-is-more-open-the-nokia-n95-or-the-iphone.html#comment-1212 [...] Seltzer asks, Which is more open: the Nokia N95 or the iPhone? Regardless of the answer, I’m wondering if there’s an objective way to score [...] [...] Seltzer asks, Which is more open: the Nokia N95 or the iPhone? Regardless of the answer, I’m wondering if there’s an objective way to score [...]

]]> By: The Linux Index » How about an Index of Openness? http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2007/09/26/which-is-more-open-the-nokia-n95-or-the-iphone.html#comment-1201 The Linux Index » How about an Index of Openness? Sun, 30 Sep 2007 04:29:43 +0000 http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2007/09/26/which-is-more-open-the-nokia-n95-or-the-iphone.html#comment-1201 [...] Seltzer asks, Which is more open: the Nokia N95 or the iPhone? Regardless of the answer, I’m wondering if there’s an objective way to score [...] [...] Seltzer asks, Which is more open: the Nokia N95 or the iPhone? Regardless of the answer, I’m wondering if there’s an objective way to score [...]

]]> By: Stefan Constantinescu http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2007/09/26/which-is-more-open-the-nokia-n95-or-the-iphone.html#comment-1145 Stefan Constantinescu Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:03:58 +0000 http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2007/09/26/which-is-more-open-the-nokia-n95-or-the-iphone.html#comment-1145 If you're readers would like to see the two ads (maybe you missed one?) here is a link: http://www.intomobile.com/2007/09/26/pictures-nokia-rolls-out-a-2-page-advertisement-in-the-new-york-times.html If you’re readers would like to see the two ads (maybe you missed one?) here is a link: http://www.intomobile.com/2007/09/26/pictures-nokia-rolls-out-a-2-page-advertisement-in-the-new-york-times.html

]]> By: Which is more open: the Nokia N95 or the iPhone? | TheNokiaPhoneBlog.info http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2007/09/26/which-is-more-open-the-nokia-n95-or-the-iphone.html#comment-1143 Which is more open: the Nokia N95 or the iPhone? | TheNokiaPhoneBlog.info Thu, 27 Sep 2007 04:35:28 +0000 http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2007/09/26/which-is-more-open-the-nokia-n95-or-the-iphone.html#comment-1143 [...] Right in the middle of my New York Times today (yes, I still read it, and on paper) are two full-page color ads for Nokia’s N95, with the taglines “Comes with unlimited potential. We believe the smartest devices should keep getting … Read More [...] [...] Right in the middle of my New York Times today (yes, I still read it, and on paper) are two full-page color ads for Nokia’s N95, with the taglines “Comes with unlimited potential. We believe the smartest devices should keep getting … Read More [...]

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