Comments on: Forbidding Vistas: Windows licensing disserves the user http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2006/10/19/forbidding_vistas_windows_licensing_disserves_the_user.html Musings of a techie lawyer Sun, 20 May 2012 19:18:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7-bleeding By: wiggins http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2006/10/19/forbidding_vistas_windows_licensing_disserves_the_user.html#comment-561 wiggins Wed, 01 Nov 2006 18:52:35 +0000 http://wendy.seltzer.org/wordpress/?p=371#comment-561 spammer needs to die spammer needs to die

]]> By: Psicattus http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2006/10/19/forbidding_vistas_windows_licensing_disserves_the_user.html#comment-560 Psicattus Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:22:02 +0000 http://wendy.seltzer.org/wordpress/?p=371#comment-560 Huh...The Vista EULA would make any rootkits that restored revoked functionality seem benevolent. Huh…The Vista EULA would make any rootkits that restored revoked functionality seem benevolent.

]]> By: barbe_noir http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2006/10/19/forbidding_vistas_windows_licensing_disserves_the_user.html#comment-559 barbe_noir Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:15:05 +0000 http://wendy.seltzer.org/wordpress/?p=371#comment-559 Interesting article. the response regards Trusted Computing is one I reccomend you all should follow up as this EULA is small potatoes for what that will deliver you, even non-mcrsft users. I agree with JA's post regarding the delusions that users will switch to Linux. There is a mass of information on the internet on how to get it into a machine and very little of it is succinctly in one place. Most mcrsft users get the OS already installed. Many of them download "security" software and don't know they also have to install it. Most of them don't know about the hidden directories like Windows and when they chance upon them there's a dire warning about messing with this stuff. "Hide known file extensions" means known to the OS not the user. Mass mail a .com called princecharlesuptartanJPEG.com and you'll see that JA is right that these people ain't going to be able to use any flavour of loonix... but if they could they'd love MEPIS. Interesting article. the response regards Trusted Computing is one I reccomend you all should follow up as this EULA is small potatoes for what that will deliver you, even non-mcrsft users. I agree with JA’s post regarding the delusions that users will switch to Linux. There is a mass of information on the internet on how to get it into a machine and very little of it is succinctly in one place. Most mcrsft users get the OS already installed. Many of them download “security” software and don’t know they also have to install it. Most of them don’t know about the hidden directories like Windows and when they chance upon them there’s a dire warning about messing with this stuff. “Hide known file extensions” means known to the OS not the user. Mass mail a .com called princecharlesuptartanJPEG.com and you’ll see that JA is right that these people ain’t going to be able to use any flavour of loonix… but if they could they’d love MEPIS.

]]> By: Melissa Harrell http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2006/10/19/forbidding_vistas_windows_licensing_disserves_the_user.html#comment-558 Melissa Harrell Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:14:47 +0000 http://wendy.seltzer.org/wordpress/?p=371#comment-558 Geee - in hindsight my decision to change my file server over to Ubuntu seems to have been a wise one. Geee - in hindsight my decision to change my file server over to Ubuntu seems to have been a wise one.

]]> By: asdas http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2006/10/19/forbidding_vistas_windows_licensing_disserves_the_user.html#comment-557 asdas Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:16:35 +0000 http://wendy.seltzer.org/wordpress/?p=371#comment-557 Wendy... Very nice article.... informativve with ALTERNATIVES... Except the use of the 4 lettered words... Thanks Wendy…
Very nice article….
informativve with ALTERNATIVES…
Except the use of the 4 lettered words…
Thanks

]]> By: Anonymous http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2006/10/19/forbidding_vistas_windows_licensing_disserves_the_user.html#comment-556 Anonymous Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:16:01 +0000 http://wendy.seltzer.org/wordpress/?p=371#comment-556 Wendy... Very nice article.... informativve with ALTERNATIVES... Thanks Wendy…
Very nice article….
informativve with ALTERNATIVES…
Thanks

]]> By: Alan http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2006/10/19/forbidding_vistas_windows_licensing_disserves_the_user.html#comment-555 Alan Sun, 29 Oct 2006 23:43:25 +0000 http://wendy.seltzer.org/wordpress/?p=371#comment-555 Fuck EULAs. There. Now I feel somewhat better. Who the hell do they think they are that they can write their own law? I buy their software, I can do whatever the fuck I want to do with it. Just like when I but an orange or a stereo. Its stupidity like this that will force me to pirate this shit one day. Until I am required to use Vista, count me out of ever upgrading. Long Live Linux (even though its the most user-unfriendly system around)!!! Fuck EULAs. There. Now I feel somewhat better. Who the hell do they think they are that they can write their own law? I buy their software, I can do whatever the fuck I want to do with it. Just like when I but an orange or a stereo. Its stupidity like this that will force me to pirate this shit one day. Until I am required to use Vista, count me out of ever upgrading. Long Live Linux (even though its the most user-unfriendly system around)!!!

]]> By: icemanx http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2006/10/19/forbidding_vistas_windows_licensing_disserves_the_user.html#comment-554 icemanx Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:57:47 +0000 http://wendy.seltzer.org/wordpress/?p=371#comment-554 hahahaha now microsoft has really lost the plot I can see people buying vista (NOT!!) just stay with what works and use what works you can fix the older software far better than to be taken over by a corporation that wants to be your big brother sorry no thanks - no vista for me even if they paid me to install it (I wouldnt even reccomend it either) hahahaha now microsoft has really lost the plot

I can see people buying vista (NOT!!)

just stay with what works and use what works
you can fix the older software far better than to be taken over by a corporation that wants to be your big brother

sorry no thanks - no vista for me
even if they paid me to install it
(I wouldnt even reccomend it either)

]]> By: Solly McGibbon http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2006/10/19/forbidding_vistas_windows_licensing_disserves_the_user.html#comment-553 Solly McGibbon Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:54:24 +0000 http://wendy.seltzer.org/wordpress/?p=371#comment-553 Need a better reason to switch to Linux??? Need a better reason to switch to Linux???

]]> By: JA http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2006/10/19/forbidding_vistas_windows_licensing_disserves_the_user.html#comment-552 JA Thu, 26 Oct 2006 04:55:23 +0000 http://wendy.seltzer.org/wordpress/?p=371#comment-552 While I have long supported Microsoft as a legitamate corporate entity with usable (yet not perfect) products, the games that Mr. Ballmer (blame him) is playing as of the last few years is getting to be too much. As a software developer who works primarily with the Windows products, I have little choice but to fly their flag if I want work in my area of the country. But with the tightening of the screws as it is, I think I will rather leave the IT world than have to scramble for alternatives to Windows. Go ahead Linux people, attack me now. While I think there are many distros that are good (Ubuntu in particular), all your claims that "average users" can adapt to it are still just dreams. I know lots of these so called average users. They can barely get around Windows and its GUI. If they have to do anything more complex than double-click an icon, they fall apart. While many of you find it enjoyable to install endless nightly builds and kernel recompiles to make Linux work, those average users can't begin to handle it. I too am too busy with life to deal with these support nightmares that friends and family would enevitably bring to me. Linux is not ready for 90% of the Windows users and it likely will not get there for a long time. The Mac may be the only alternative, but I would rather leave IT for a new career than go back to that platform. Unless something happens to oust Ballmer from the decision making chair, I think I'd rather just unplug from the Net and live a disconnected life... I know I've offended many with my statements, but please people, realize that non-IT people just don't enjoy the things you do (like command lines and Ruby on Rails or Puppy Linux on PSP hacks). Sorry, that's just the way it is. But the demise of Windows under a badly thought out EULA will erode the base of the industry and it may revert back to just a bunch of enthusiasts playing around. And before you shout for joy at that prospect, remember that without the average users, big companies with big resources will not continue to build better, faster and shinier products for you. Better learn to build your own semiconductors in the garage and master soldering techniques if you want improved graphics for your "home brew" machine if this happens! We unfortunately need Windows to keep the industry going down the proverbial tubes, but not Ballmer and his evil EULAs, activiations, DRM and "license not buy" schemes. Rise up against Ballmer if you want to see real changes that are good for the industry and users alike. While I have long supported Microsoft as a legitamate corporate entity with usable (yet not perfect) products, the games that Mr. Ballmer (blame him) is playing as of the last few years is getting to be too much. As a software developer who works primarily with the Windows products, I have little choice but to fly their flag if I want work in my area of the country. But with the tightening of the screws as it is, I think I will rather leave the IT world than have to scramble for alternatives to Windows. Go ahead Linux people, attack me now. While I think there are many distros that are good (Ubuntu in particular), all your claims that “average users” can adapt to it are still just dreams. I know lots of these so called average users. They can barely get around Windows and its GUI. If they have to do anything more complex than double-click an icon, they fall apart. While many of you find it enjoyable to install endless nightly builds and kernel recompiles to make Linux work, those average users can’t begin to handle it. I too am too busy with life to deal with these support nightmares that friends and family would enevitably bring to me. Linux is not ready for 90% of the Windows users and it likely will not get there for a long time. The Mac may be the only alternative, but I would rather leave IT for a new career than go back to that platform. Unless something happens to oust Ballmer from the decision making chair, I think I’d rather just unplug from the Net and live a disconnected life…

I know I’ve offended many with my statements, but please people, realize that non-IT people just don’t enjoy the things you do (like command lines and Ruby on Rails or Puppy Linux on PSP hacks). Sorry, that’s just the way it is. But the demise of Windows under a badly thought out EULA will erode the base of the industry and it may revert back to just a bunch of enthusiasts playing around. And before you shout for joy at that prospect, remember that without the average users, big companies with big resources will not continue to build better, faster and shinier products for you. Better learn to build your own semiconductors in the garage and master soldering techniques if you want improved graphics for your “home brew” machine if this happens! We unfortunately need Windows to keep the industry going down the proverbial tubes, but not Ballmer and his evil EULAs, activiations, DRM and “license not buy” schemes. Rise up against Ballmer if you want to see real changes that are good for the industry and users alike.

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